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Re: Karma
Mon, September 17, 2007 - 5:31 AMAccording to the Seth writing not punisment but a playacting that put the person in the different roles as he/she plays the other and how his/her behaviour impact them.
It litterally gives a different point of view on the same situation as you find yourself on the receiving end good or bad, all for learning purposes.
I suppose that it stops being operative once you grasp it, having lived it so the lesson is not just intellectual but etched into your being (the reason Seth gave for our living through all these experiences in the flesh). -
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Re: Karma
Mon, September 17, 2007 - 8:54 AMThats what I try to relay to my wife that doesn't believe karma altogether. Since our thoughts and actions have impact on the whole of the universe then it should especially effect our other lives simutanously, right. Not a punishment, but an impact. However different thoughts and actions, have different energies, such as positive or negitive, so their impact would be different. And thats why we call it karma. Man just mis-interpreted the teachings of the teachers of old to mean punishment.
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Re: Karma
Sat, September 22, 2007 - 4:31 PMKarma is based upon reincarnational lives following one another.
Seth tells us there is no karma. Because all our lives are simultaneous, we are not being "punished" for deeds done in another life. A hint of original sin here eh?
Karma also lends itself to "cause and effect", which Seth discusses as well. Cause and effect are based upon linear time, but because time is simulataneous it is possible for effect to proceed cause. Seth enourages us to set aside our "scientific eye" and not always use the same tools such as rational thinking and logic to define our reality. In this way we invite reality into our lives.
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Re: Karma
Sat, September 22, 2007 - 8:57 PMso many ways i can describe karma:
action and reaction
life curriculum
laws to resolve polarities
primary spiritual law of oneness
the reality we attract
karma is karma. good karma and bad karma are judgments that we put on events. good karma is still karma and we remain bound by it if we are judging it.
in yoga, and the study of the aryuvedic scriptures, i learned that the way to avoid "good karma" is to do everything, every act, out of service to higher power. call it god, or your higher self, or the universe, whatever, give it up to that. no sense of doership or earning brownie points, just duty to self, which is one in the same as humanity, the universe, higher power. just like we expect our red blood cells to do their duty.
what we call "negative" karma is attraction at work for a lesson not learned. when we have a negative (especially traumatic) inner experience, we can often find ourselves thinking or saying "no", "no way", "this is not happening", "i do not believe it", "not again!", or other words of denial. the energy under these thoughts and words compress the energy of the negative emotion into a tiny super-dense dark crystal. this dark crystal settles in the area of the physical body that is relevant, usually at a joint or other place where the energy vortexes, where it can remain undisturbed.
the dark crystal is the memory of the stored negative emotion and it wants to be realized. we are using our vital energy to hold it down, keep it compressed, and prevent its realization. the dark crystal works like an antennae to the ever-abundant universe, and it attracts the people, places, things, events, that will give rise to the emotion that has been denied. if again, we say "no way, this is not happening", or other posture of denial, then we now have another dark crystal of the same frequency which will move around through the body and settle into the relevant spot (responsibility issues go to the shoulders, sexual issues to the genitals, etc, (see louise hay)) and now the crystals have twice the attracting power, and so on. eventually we get around to saying, "why does this keep happening to me?". the good news is, if we allow the feeling to out fully, we can release all of these crystals at once, but more often it is like layers of an onion.
another thing these dark crystals do is block energy flow in that part of the body, because they are so dense, in the same way the sushumina (main energy channel) runs paralles to and in front of the spine. the bone is too dense, but serves as an attractor and its field a carrier.
i can sometimes feel these crystals, like a grit under the tissue, when i am doing healing massage. they can be worked out with massage, and the emotion may come up. they can be released through bringing healing energy through hatha yoga asanas. the crystals can be shattered by vibrational or sound therapy of the right frequency. there are many other ways too.
all accidents, injuries, disorders and diseases arise from these dark crystals and their attracting power.
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Re: Karma
Sun, September 23, 2007 - 11:02 AMThe Seth Material suggests that strong beliefs in dogma, such as karma, be set aside.
There is even an affirmation for it. It goes something like this.
"I realize I have conflicting beliefs regarding (put your dogma here) but I am going to set it aside so I can accept the true image from my inner self."
Now imagine youself receiving such energy and your belief in karma, christ or whatever flowing away down stream not to trouble you again.
The Louise Hay books tend to ignore the ramification of simultaneous time. The Seth material tells us that the past and future are still being decided and defined. We are re-writing our memories in the past and present constantly. The Louise Hay books tell you that you are stuck in time and can not change anything in the past.
The Seth material also comments on these "quick fix" self help books that don't take the whole picture into account. How could they, they don't exist outside of time. -
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Re: Karma
Sun, September 23, 2007 - 12:14 PM""the Seth Materia suggests that strong beliefs in dogma, such as karma, be set aside."
i think this it is a good idea to let go of beliefs, period, all beliefs. a belief is where we happen to be on our road to truth. holding onto a belief is choosing to be stuck at that point in the road.
to "not hold onto belief in dogma" does not mean we must ignore messages that come from dogma. i did not mention louise hay because i "believe her every word is the gospel", but because i think she makes some generally correct connections between various forms of held fear and the location in the body where they reside.
many christians would turn a deaf ear to the teachings of the buddha or dalhai lama because they are not quoting the christian bible. let us not be that way with the seth material.
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Re: Karma
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 8:07 AM"to "not hold onto belief in dogma" does not mean we must ignore messages that come from dogma."
If it is useful, why not pick the part that serves. There is good in everything if only accidental.
But It is not the best source as we can get stuck and getting stuck is very easy. We are all brainwashed and these personnalies are operating from a limited time-frame.
I like Louise Hay by the way but she hold a part of the puzzle, not the whole picture. But I am also using different writers including one that is similar to Seth but provides clear, easier guidelines for me at this point.
The Seth material is complex and getting one's mind to operate along these lines requires discipline and constant vigilance.
Working with beliefs for example can be very subtle as one layer comes up right after another.
We are very lucky to live in these days and have access to the best (in my opinion). Even though I realise that time is not linear, it is limited in our actual time-frame so let's not waste it.
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Re: Karma
Mon, October 8, 2007 - 10:16 PMamen. and we are like caterpillars on a ball. just trying to get back to where we came from.
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Re: Karma
Tue, October 9, 2007 - 7:05 AMThe Seth material is upbeat.
The journey is hard work, a lot of discernment, balanced curbing and refinement of basic impulses.
Now, if I can leave this in the realms of observation and not make it a cast iron belief, I will have swinged that one efficiently.
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Re: Karma
Tue, October 9, 2007 - 7:30 PMConstant vigilance indeed, but what part of karma serves?
It is like a mist before scene. Let us clear it away. I want to see the world with all my senses, including the internal ones. Let us set the mist generators aside for the moment. That is why the affirmations work. Because we are setting aside the belief. The ego has a moment where it is not attached to dogma. In that moment the ego gets a rest, a breath, a moment of reflection. The new belief is superimposed upon the ego, taken from the internal self. The moment of reflection is important for the processing of natural guilt.
From session 806:
"One of man's strongest attributes is religious feeling."
"Organized religions are always attempts to redefine that kind of felling in cultural terms. They seldom succeed because they become too narrow in their concepts, too dogmatic, and the cultural structures finally overweigh the finer substance within them."
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